I’ve thought about how this site should work in terms of what is and isn’t allowed. But I haven’t totally hammered out the 10 commandments, partially because I want community feedback on what you want this site to be.
Some rules and guidelines are fairly obvious to me.
- Don’t post a story unless you own the rights.
- Don’t post any obviously illegal images or stories. If there is a grey area, don’t post it.
- Characters should be of legal consenting age. No stories involving children.
- I reserve the right to remove anything that I deem inappropriate or not fit for this site.
- You fully own the rights to any story you post and you have the ability (through your “my stories” page) to delete any of your stories from the site at any time.
This site will have two functioning sections; a storyboard for stories to be posted and a front page for users to discuss various subjects related to stripping and naked fiction. Effectively, it will be a spiritual successor to Indian Outlaw’s Stripping Storyboard.
But where his site did not allow explicit sexual content or swearing, this site will allow that kind of content, if only because I’m in love with Jessica Tang Von Harper’s Saturday Night School series. In her tale, two high school students explore fun and totally endearing nude in public scenarios, and usually can’t help also indulging in some risky, red hot sex every chapter.
And then there are Lizstanton8181’s mailgirl stories, which I find well written, engrossing, and incredibly sexy, mostly because of the psychology and dialogue of her female characters.
Liz and Jessica are two of the most brilliant writers I’ve come across and I want this site to welcome the kind of wonderfully wicked stories that they write. Therefore, I’m not going to restrict explicit X-rated sexual content.
On the other hand, one of the reasons I did enjoy Indian Outlaw’s site was because there wasn’t an abundance of porn I had to sift through to find stories primarily about being naked, which in general I find preferable to stories about fucking.
My favorite naked in public story of all time is The Reluctant Exhibitionist by Falcon (and continued by Seahawk76), and that series doesn’t have any explicit sex. In fact, the only sex scene I can recall takes place off screen in a fade to black moment that ends the chapter. That series is about being naked in public, and hyper-focuses on that one element, which is why it remains my ideal naked fiction story. Indian Outlaw’s decision to keep X-rated sex off his board is why there were so many stories there that kept to the spirit of the kind of stories I prefer.
I want to keep that spirit alive, so there in lies the rub. Will I be pushing away stories about being naked by allowing stories about fucking? It’s something to consider.
Probably even more of a burning question for me is how to deal with photos.
This is a story board first and foremost. It’s not a porn site. It’s not a porn discussion site. I have nothing against those sites (in fact, I quite love sites like the enf-cmnf blog (<<<<nsfw). But this site isn’t for that.
Above all, I want to make this a safe and friendly spot for writers to post their work and readers to read without a bunch of distractions. Ideally, I’d like the site to remain relatively safe for work, which is why I chose a domain name that didn’t explicitly reference nudity.
So does that mean I should ban all images from being posted on the site? Allow images (such as the nsfw images that Slice Reality posts on Deviantart) but disallow pornographic images? Allow an image per page, only if labeled NSFW? Or should I treat this nsfw site like the nsfw site it is and allow the community to express themselves with photos that enhance the reading and writing experience?
Give me some feedback community. I’m taking all of it into consideration.
I prefer no images. Also, it’s easier for you to maintain. If someone wants to share an image then they can simply share the link, and then the reader has a choice if they want to look or not. Keep focused on the ‘story’ aspect.
I’m leaning towards no images as well. You’re right that the story aspect is where the focus should be.
I understand the problems with pictures, but I have several stories that were inspired by a specific shot, or utilize the photos to help tell the story. In these cases it is nice to be able to include the shots.
My ‘vote’ would be for the site to remain image-free (surprise!), for a few reasons. The first is practical, images can take up a lot of storage space on a server and burn bandwidth for the host – this won’t be an issue right now but it’s cheaper to run a site in the long-term without them. Second, legality – unless users own the copyright to the images they’re uploading, the site (and therefore Kinsey) is liable.
Third is just personal preference – I started making my images because I felt like images that were ‘close-enough’ weren’t good enough, I wanted to create illustrations of scenes as described. But even with that goal I know that my interpretation of a scene or character will never be the same as everyone else’s – what every reader sees in their minds eye should be valid. Linking to images elsewhere I think is fine, but I believe it should be up to the reader whether they choose to look or not.
I also agree with loosening the rules on explicit sexual content, for the same reason that you outlined Kinsey. There were a lot of stories posted to IOs board that pushed these boundaries anyway, but official recognition of that allowance can only be a good thing.
P.S – Kinsey, your carefully reasoned and open dialogue with users about these sorts of issues is highly commendable. I trust your hands on the reigns.
Appreciate the perspective of both Daican and SliceReality, here.
But I have to say, the practical and personal reasons that Slice laid out here are very persuasive.
“Don’t post a story unless you own the rights.”
This also applies to images. The small percentage of writers who are also photographers make this a weak reason to allow images on your site. Even weaker, in that photos I do take, I would never include in one of my stories. That would become a creepy photographer thing to me.
The number of erotic images in the public domain are quite few. Even sites saying their images are in the public domain probably are not released by the true copyright owner. You’ll be handling Cease and Desist orders – not fun.
“I reserve the right to remove anything that I deem inappropriate or not fit for this site.”Keep it simple. IO adapted the rule, “My site, my rules. I’ll delete whatever I want to delete.” I believe this is the best way to write the rule. No arguing whether something was ‘inappropriate’ or not. No debate that it ‘fits the site’ based on another story. The difference in your rule and IO’s version is subtle, but important. Make no excuses for what you decide to remove.
“Characters should be of legal consenting age. No stories involving children.”Your site, your rules. But this needs clarification given your own passion for “Saturday Night School by jessica__tang__vonharper.”
Generally, I would favor a simple 18 years and older for naked characters or characters closely interacting with naked characters. Even though, I did break this rule in writing a “Naked in School” story series years ago. The age of consent varies from 16 to 18 within the United States, but worldwide, the age drops to 11 years in some countries (and even younger if married). Japan is listed at 13 years old. ref: https://www.ageofconsent.net/worldAnd at what age is someone not a child?So, would a high school senior be too young? 17-18 years old.Would an acceptable nude at a high school, where other characters are 15-18 years old?Would an adult woman running naked through town, being seen by grade schoolers, violate the “No stories involving children” rule?I’m not even proposing you change your rule wording. I propose you change the rule about you deciding what you’ll delete is totally up to you. Two very similar stories on this subject can be view different by you, and no one should argue your decision to delete one and keep the other.
All great points base. Exactly the kind of feedback I’m looking for. Some of your points (particularly not allowing images) I arrived at the same conclusion a few days ago. But your other points certainly resonate and make sense. My first inclination (as a reader and writer of young adult fiction and a fan of media that doesn’t shy away from high school sexuality) is to allow high school-aged content.
Something like the naked in school novel “OMG I’m Naked in School” by M. Millswan would be welcomed here. While the naked POV character is 18, she is surrounded by other characters that aren’t 18. And I’m not going to restrict stories like that because of a hard 18+ rule.
But I’m also not interested in hosting stories about 14-year old mailgirls. So ultimately, it will be a case by case situation, where as Admin I’ll have the final say. It almost always is when it comes to allowing user submitted content.
I’ll be writing an official rules post at some point in the near future to completely cover the issues you raised. And I’m sure some version of IO’s rule will be at the top of the page.